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- From: flex@kuai.se (Anders Karlsson)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.misc
- Subject: New Press Release!
- Date: 15 Mar 1996 07:40:23
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- In a message of 14 Mar 96 G. Baldwin wrote to :
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- GB> Thats the kind of statement that put the Amiga in the place it is
- GB> today. "Oh, I don't need a fast CPU because I don't use that bulky OS
- GB> that everyone else does... AmigaOS is magic - it just makes everything
- GB> fast!!" What, has AmigaOS turned into the super OS? Turn your
- GB> 68020/14 into an UltraSparc-II? I think not.
-
- Actually AmigaOS isn't magic, but f***ing close. It does what an OS
- is supposed to do. And probably better than most other OS'es do.
- Because of the structure in AmigaOS, we do not need a processor that
- causes more heat than a volcano.
-
- When it comes to pure SpecInt95 comparisions, 68030 isn't much to
- be proud of. But that is not the point. You can work on your favourite
- computer and have cheap render stations (like PC) to do the shitty
- work..
-
- That is how _smart_ people think.
-
- GB> How dare you sit here and spout out such an ignorant statement like
- GB> that. "want to run Word for Windows"??? Bah. I hope you've noticed
- GB> this but
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- Because Word for Win is a lousy program?
-
- GB> (1) Most games out for any OS right now require (as a base) more power
- GB> than a 68040/40 can pump out. Wasn't the Amiga always the best
- GB> games
- GB> machine out? Now look at it... we have "Worms". Recycled
- GB> material
- GB> from the days that Psygnosis was king. Seems that games like
- GB> "Worms"
- GB> are on the downfall now... I'd like to see how Command & Conquor,
- GB> Wing Commander 4, or Descent run on your 030/40 that you like to
- GB> defend so much. Hell, SimCity2000 was all but crap on an 040,
- GB> and Maxis has always put out good software for the Amiga. But I
- GB> take
- GB> it that you'd say that "well, their coding sucked. it wasn't the
- GB> Amigas fault". Hmm.. so much I hear that now days... everyone's
- GB> coding must suck then...
-
- If your primary goal is to play games on the Amiga, I feel sorry for you.
- Today, it's the PC that is the gamecomputer and Amiga is for serious
- people. Wanna play games? Buy a Pentium!
-
- GB> (2) Your 030/40 is still going to have problems dealing with the
- GB> increasing demands of larger and more colorful graphics. This
- GB> isn't
- GB> 1987 anymore - we aren't dealing with 320x200 16 color images. Try
- GB> 640x480, 800x600, or even 1024x768 in 8-bit or deeper. My 040/25
- GB> had problems dealing with frame after frame of 24-bit 800x600 data
- GB> that I was throwing at it. Oh sorry, I forgot. You probably think
- GB> that AGA is all anyone needs, so you'd never actually ever use
- GB> 24-bit
-
- CyberVision 64, Retina Z3.. Ring a bell?
-
- GB> (3) Last time I checked, Final Writer itself wasn't much better than
- GB> Word
- GB> at speed. 40 page document, about 10 or 20 pictures, oh boy oh boy
- GB> was it slow. But then, I guess your high school papers must be a
- GB> lot
- GB> shorter than what we do here in college... so perhaps an 030/40
- GB> would be fine for your 2 page reports.
-
- And that at a much slower processor. Ring a bell?
-
- GB> (4) I guess nobody you know ever does anything else that needs a fast
- GB> CPU
- GB> such as archiving, image conversion, possibly rendering (like VRML
- GB> objects out on the web... whoops, forgot. Amiga is the only
- GB> "major"
- GB> platform out w/o a VRML browser), and other misc speed critical
- GB> jobs.
- GB> And ya know, last time I checked, my hard drive interface seemed
- GB> much much better after I dropped it into an 030 and then 040
- GB> system.
- GB> (but then I guess if they weren't fast with an 020, then they must
- GB> of sucked because the programmers didn't write the drivers is pure
- GB> ASM, eh?)
-
- Well.. If they wanna write the thing in AmigaBASIC just because they admire
- Bill Gates, let them do that. It's just that noone will use it if it's slow.
- Things don't have to be written in ASM, mostly C is enough. The tricky parts
- can be written in ASM if they are time critical.
-
- Where have you been the latest decade?
-
- GB> Well, remember that the EC030 lacks any working MMU. Long ago I never
- GB> thought I'd have any need for one, but when I wanted to use apps that
- GB> need it, like Enforcer, VMM, or FastROM, or can use it to speed things
- GB> up, like ShapeShifter, then I found the lack of one a real pain in the
- GB> ass. And what if I want to use Unix? Can't do it w/o an MMU... Agreed,
- GB> speed difference wise, the jump between 40MHz and 50MHz isn't much, but
- GB> that MMU really does make a difference.
-
- True.. That's why one buys with MMU in the first place. I bought with MMU,
- even though I didn't have any usage for it at that moment. But maybe I'm
- an odd person, thinking a bit further than usual..
-
- GB> Why not better, lets just drop the 680x0 line all together. Maybe if
- GB> Escom got off their ass and did something, we could of had the
- GB> beginnings of a PowerPC port of AmigaOS by now. Why do we want a 68030
- GB> when a PPC 603 emulates 680x0 code faster than your 68EC030/40 can
- GB> execute it? I can't figure it out. And native PPC apps will haul ass.
- GB> After all, the PPC603 isn't much more expensive than a 68040 chip is,
- GB> if not cheaper.
-
- PPC is on it's way, if you're so damned good at everything, get over to
- AT and help them out!
-
- GB> So I ask one last time - why do you think Amigas shouldn't have
- GB> anything better than a 68EC030/40? Please tell me, I am dying to know.
- GB> If its so that all of the little kids can play games on a $400 machine,
- GB> hey, let them either buy a used A1200 or go out and get a Playstation.
- GB> Its time for the rest of us to move on.
-
- Because it's a good start! Newbies don't start of with Real3D as the
- first thing!
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- Anders Karlsson Dedicated Amiga User.
- flex@kuai.se PGP-key available on request.
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